Sunday, April 2, 2017

The Reprobate: Are They the True Walking Dead? Are Narcissists Reprobate? No human being is qualified to make the judgment that another human being is irredeemable, only God can make that judgment. The only place to get an idea of God's opinion and judgment is in the Bible and the Bible gives a detailed description of those people who are potentially irredeemable, they are called people with a reprobate mind. There are two main Christian opinions on the subject of salvation. One group of Christians believes that as long as a person is alive and breathing, they have a chance for salvation, or the ability to accept Jesus as their savior and enter into the kingdom of heaven. The other group believes that there are people alive and walking among us that have lost the possibility of entering heaven. These people are the reprobate. In a sense, these people have already sealed their own fate and nothing they do from here on out will prevent them from going to hell, or if there is no hell at the minimum these people have lost the opportunity for eternal life. Narcissists share many of the same traits with these reprobate people, so the question is then are narcs reprobate? Sadly, there is a good possibility that many of them are, which puts them in the worst possible position a living human being on this earth could be in. So what does it mean to be a reprobate person? These are people who God has made multiple appeals to throughout their lives and these people rejected God each and every time God tried to reach them, so eventually God gave up on these people and left them to themselves. The problem is, because they have rejected God, God will now reject them if they ever want to reach Him in the future. So these people have lost the opportunity to have eternal life by their own hand, since they chose to reject God. Here is the disclaimer: this interpretation of the reprobate should always be seen as what it is: man's interpretation of God's word, the Bible, and as such, it may be wrong. So the question isn't do reprobate people exist or are we in a position to know if someone is reprobate. The question is if you are reprobate, or at the verge of becoming reprobate, do you face the possibility of losing eternal life and potentially facing the judgment of hell after you die? So, in light of that, whether you believe in the Bible or not we are dealing with a very serious subject. Let's proceed. We pay a high price when we take the Bible for granted, especially those of us who have encountered a narc. Let's not get into the fact that many of us have had a relationship with a narc which didn't even consider doing things God's way. Premarital sex is now considered the norm and someone that considers sex out of wedlock wrong is considered the odd one. The Bible labels sex outside of marriage as fornication, a clear sin. So there is probably the biggest cause of our suffering. We entered into an intimate relationship with someone without both partners being 100 % in. This suited the narc just fine. But that is an aside, let's get to the meat of the matter. We think that we are at the cutting edge of modern psychology in understanding the narc. We struggle to understand these people, what motivates them, how they got that way. We struggle trying to help these people, believing in them, believing they can change; then we can't understand why years of being there for the narc, having faith in them and holding on doesn't make a bit of difference. Our intense effort was a total waste of time. If we only understood the answers to everything were in the Bible all along. No one person has the right to call another person reprobate, because only God knows the heart of an individual and if we as narc abuse survivors have learned anything at all, it should be clear to us we don't have the ability to understand the narc, at least not to the extent that God can understand him. So why not listen to what God has to say about the reprobate. Again, a reprobate person is someone who has rejected God, and after having rejected God for long enough, has been rejected by God and is then allowed to, or is given over to his sin. The rest of this video will be taken purely from the Bible. It's amazing what insight the Bible has into the reprobate human, what type of person they are, what their values are, and how they act. It might sound familiar to you. All of this comes from Romans 1, 28 to 32, but then there is a warning to those who want to judge or label someone found in Romans 2, 1 to 5, This will comprise the rest of the video. Romans 1
28: “And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;” Not convenient could also be termed things that are not fitting, or sinful, Point One: These people don't want to think of God or take Him into account in their lives so God “gives them over” meaning He allows them to have a reprobate mind and because of the reprobate mind they reject God totally and engage in sinful or “inconvenient” activity. Think about this, if you reject God long enough He gives up and gives you over to a mindset that totally rejects God and then you engage in all sorts of sinful activity, no longer being concerned about what God thinks. The rest of Romans 1 from 29 to 32 describes these people in detail. Romans 29: Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers. Romans30: Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents. Romans 31 :Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Now let's break down the description of these reprobate people: 1. They are filled with all unrighteousness meaning they are immoral, wicked and sinful. They are unjust, unfair, have no integrity, and are dishonorable. 2. Fornication means having sex outside of marriage. This is commonplace in our time. But this also includes illicit sex, or adultery, and women or men who are promiscuous and have multiple sex partners. 3. Wickedness is morally objectionable behavior, mental disregard for justice, righteousness, truth, honor, virtue; evil in thought and life; depravity; sinfulness; criminality. 4. Covetousness has many various meanings , but it is wanting to have inordinately more money or possessions than you already have and also to gain dishonestly. 5. Maliciousness means intentionally harmful or spiteful, evil or having an evil disposition. 6. Full of Envy which is discontented or resentful longing for someone else's possessions, qualities, other desirable attributes, or luck. 7. Full of Murder, to kill someone with premeditated malice and having a sound mind. 8. Full of Debate, or you could say strife, an expression of enmity. Contention or discord. My take is someone who always seeks an argument that creates discord by design. A person who isn't interested in resolving anything. They don't want resolution. 9. Full of Deceit, which is the intentional misleading or beguiling of another human being. Charming or enchanting someone, usually in a deceptive way. 10. Malignity is deliberate ill will, malice, malevolence, craftiness. 11. Whisperers are most likely people who are gossips, talebearers, rumor-mongers, generally causing discord among people. 12. Backbiters are those who attack the character or reputation or slander someone not present. 13. Haters of God this is self explanatory, meaning these people want no part of God and don't want to think or hear about Him and they certainly would never even consider being obedient to Him. 14. Despiteful is to treat with contempt or look down upon another human being. 15. Proud having a high opinion of one's own dignity, importance, or superiority is the definition that fits best here in my opinion. Or you could say showing yourself above others , preeminent. 16. Boasters are people who talk about or write about themselves in a proud or self-admiring way. 17. Inventors of evil things is best seen as delighting in inventing 'original' and 'novel' ways of being or doing evil. That is according to T R Schreiner, Romans, Baker Exegetical Commentary, Baker Academic, 1998, page 98. 18. Disobedient to parents- not respecting the authority of their parents or submitting themselves to the parents or listening to them. Refusing to obey. 19. Without understanding: a person incapable of comprehending spiritual things, or people who are spiritually blind. Also inconsiderate and foolish. 20. Covenantbreakers are people who don't adhere to or aren't bound to promises, oaths, agreements or vows that they make. People who are false to their engagements and treat covenants as a scrap of paper. The don't stay true to their love partners, even if they are married, because they don't feel bound to any agreement or promises they have made. 21. Without natural affection this means without the natural attachment that a child would normally have for the parent and a parent would normally have for the child. Presumably, this person would either not have any affection for their mother or father and they wouldn't have any affection for their children. 22. Implacable: this refers to someone who is unwilling to or unable to forgive and will hold a grudge and can never be reconciled with someone they feel has committed an offense against them. You could also call them vindictive. 23. Unmerciful: people who have no mercy towards another, no compassion or pity when they are in a position of power to grant it to another human being. Lastly there is the warning in Romans 2, 1 to 5. This warning was against the Jews, who were the enlightened believers of their day that they should not judge others that they deemed unenlightened (the Gentiles), since they themselves were guilty of many of the sins they were condemning and judging others of. As a Christian believer, or anyone for that matter placing the judgment of narcissist or irredeemable on another human, we had better be very careful and look in the mirror and realize that we ourselves are also guilty of many things. That is my interpretation of the warning, especially when making a very serious allegation against a group of people that are labeled narcissists. So the above characteristics of a person with a reprobate mind certainly seem to very closely and accurately describe a person that we define as a narcissist. Add to this the possibility that these people may not be redeemable and you have all of the answers you need. Those answers were there in the Bible for over 2,000 years. These people have always been around. These are not good people, and they are not people that can be helped. The only hope is that the individual narcissist has at least not totally rejected God and still may have the possibility of getting His attention and mercy and grace. So maybe we now have answers as to why all of the efforts we have made to help these people and be their friends have been totally futile and all of our attempts at communication have fallen on deaf ears. The answers were always there in the Bible. They've been there for over two thousand years. So what do we conclude? The narc's life is a mess, yours is not. Your life has been disrupted, but that doesn't mean your life is a mess. You think clearly. You're a human being who has genuine feelings, who genuinely loves, who has compassion, who has sympathy. You deal with the world like a normal human being deals with the world. So no, despite all of the disorder and chaos that the narc created in your life, you aren't a mess. The narc is the one who's a mess and will always be a mess. The sooner you understand you can't help that person, the sooner you understand that there is nothing you can do, the better. The only thing that is going to happen with you being in contact with that person is that your life is destroyed and disrupted , the sooner you realize that, the better off you are. But once again, you have to be ready for that information, and you have to be ready to accept it and be ready to move on. No human being should ever tell you you have to move on. Thank you for watching, your comments are welcomed.















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